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Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts |  Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 02:53:52     
| | Yet all laws DO have some basis in some form of morality... It becomes difficult to seperate the two... Laws founded on an unstable human standard and the societies that they regulate will eventually fail as evidenced over and over again throughout history... |
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AXEMAN2415
Guitar Weenie
USA
740 Posts | Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 15:41:55
| However, morality is not necessarily the same thing as holiness. I know plenty of heathens who are moral. While man's ideal standard is morality, God's standard is holiness. Do not misunderstand me, many people refuse to even live up to the moral standard. But, as Christians, we have a much higher standard than just morality.
Look at the rich young ruler. He approached Jesus to ask what more could he do to enter the Kingdom. First, Jesus referred to the moral code. The RYR kindly, and maybe flippantly, informed Jesus that he had obeyed all of the moral code. Then Jesus said, "Okay, if you want to enter life, go sell all you have, give it to the poor, take up your cross, and follow Me." That is way beyond the moral code. That is the standard for holiness.
You see, while I believe we must reflect morality, a moral sensitivity, should remember justice, and serve it up within the bounds of law, I cannot see how holiness can be rendered that way. I am not saying we shouldn't have laws, we absolutely should. But even the moral code is not the panacea, and it will not produce righteousness in a man, which is kind of what I am seeing in this discussion. Only Jesus Christ can make a man righteous. |
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Captain Blasto
Cappuccino Junkie
USA
212 Posts | Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 00:06:15
| quote:
I know plenty of heathens who are moral.
Ahhh... yes.... and I also know many liars who are relatively honest people......
that's the problem with relativism... it's so clearly ambiguous... |
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AnonJr
Absent-minded Webmaster
USA
621 Posts | Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 06:22:39
| quote:
Originally posted by Captain Blasto
that's the problem with relativism... it's so clearly ambiguous...
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There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you.
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Grime
Starting Member
USA
26 Posts | Posted - 04 Nov 2007 : 01:06:50
| | You can not legislate people into becoming moral, you have to mold them. |
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AXEMAN2415
Guitar Weenie
USA
740 Posts | Posted - 04 Nov 2007 : 09:49:18
| | True, but you can legislate penalties to protect other citizens. |
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Grime
Starting Member
USA
26 Posts | Posted - 04 Nov 2007 : 19:31:29
| This is true. However, our government is a government of the society. Our forefathers, who I believe never endorsed a separation of Church and State, did in fact create a division in the responsibilities carried out by the State apart from the Church. This society's government will pass laws according to it's own values and sense of morality. And, disgustingly, this society does not value an unborn life and sees no sin in terminating one.
So we the Church have to decide how best to fight this. We can push for legislation that can be stuck down later by the legislature or made impotent by the judiciary. Or we can educate the people, lead them into enlightenment, leading to no need for such legislation. |
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